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29 Oct 2005



We all aren't idiots. Some of these morons would be even happier if they were allowed to shoot the "invaders". Unfortunately, they happen to have all the power and truely believe that a oral sex act is worse than outing a spy cuz they didn't want her hubby telling the truth.<br> <br> Makes us look stoopid, huh...

Bret

Well, of course I only meant the people who made the website. I think I did thos one before because I recall a mention of the Great hedge of India which was an even more impractical idea that the British actually went out and tried to implement.<br><br>Do Halliburton build fences?

Lindsay

Rabbit Proof Fence ^-^<br> <br> Bunnies Rule.<br> <br> Happy HalloEaster

Ole

It's not so bad here. Our invaders only want to work, it seems. In other parts of the World, they enjoy exploding IEDs. That would, as of late, include Britain, unfortunately.

Jamey Smith

<P>They just want to work? That is insufficient justification for criminal acts.</P> <P>I'm a fifth generation Arizonan, grew up near the border, and have many friends and family members that ranch, live, and do business on the border (including many working for the Border Patrol). </P> <P>First, the very scary, especially for those in uniform protecting the border. Illegal immigration has now dove-tailed with drug trafficking. These were, until recently, separate trades. Now they are one and the same, and the coyotes are now armed and very dangerous. Many of these coyotes are employed with the Federales or the Mexican military, and get to use little perks like helicopters and technical vehicles to ply their trade.</P> <P>Next, the environmental: These immigrants are trashing the desert along the border. There are miles-long swaths of country that look like a city dump. They are driving across unspoiled country (many times in vehicles stolen in the U.S. -- this happened to me, costing me thousands of dollars) to move people/drugs. The desert here does not recover well from these things. There are stretches that get maybe 4-5 inches of rain a year. One set of tire tracks becomes permanent.</P> <P>Third, the lost money to the people in border states, not just indirect, but direct. Ranchers along the borders are being forced to put cattle guards in on the border --at their own expense, mind you-- to prevent immigrants from cutting their fences. When the fences are cut, livestock is freed to wander into Mexico, where the ranchers cannot retrieve livestock. Propane and water companies are suspending services to many rural ranches, due to the coyotes (now militarized) commandeering vehicles to smuggle people. I won't even get into the cost of medical treatment, uninsured drivers, deportation, etc. that is passed along to the taxpayer. If a person wants to come up here and work for 5 bucks an hour, but creates thousands of dollars in costs, damages, etc. how is this possibly good for the economy?</P> <P>Next, let's talk about the morality of this. A person is knowingly violating federal law to immigrate illegally. There is no arguing this point. They are not undocumented. They are illegal. In a society that discourages any sense of personal responsibility, what hope or encouragement is there to keep them law abiding once they are here? </P> <P>Law enforcement agencies have their hands tied by local, state, and national governments and by extremist groups. The Border Patrol cannot put up permanent monitoring stations, due to an unjustified environmental impact argument. A fence cannot be built due to the environmental impact. Local law enforcement agencies are discouraged from reporting illegals to the proper agencies, even when stopped and charged with other crimes. The ACLU threatens suit for any non-standard arrest/deportation of immigrants. Border Patrol officers are arresting over 800 people each per year, and are woefully understaffed in the Arizona-New Mexico corridor.</P> <P>I am all for legal immigration/work programs/visas. I have worked with many, many good people that ended up being deported as illegals. Does this make it right? No. These people are criminals, and they know it. </P> <P>Suppose you were a parent. How would you feel if you knew that the person next to you at work was a serial child molestor, the authorities knew it, and decided to take no action? He's just there to work, after all. This is an extreme example, but criminal is criminal. </P> <P>What I hope everyone can understand is that on their way here, and while they stay, these people impose a cost on the rest of us that in know way makes up for the fact that they contribute a very, very small amount to the economy.</P>

bordering on insanity

You miss my point entirely. Building a bloody great fence along a huge border is just a stupid idea.<br><br>You can solve the problem quite easily in fact - make it legal! Just like drugs. The war on drugs has never worked, never will. Same for immigration : you make it legal but monitor it. No, the whole population of Mexico won't cross the border at once.<br><br>They might also think of clamping down on the people who employ the illegal immigrants too - if there were no jobs to go to then there would be no point in coming across! Ah, but then some rich, powerful people might have to pay a decent wage to the person who waters their lawn.....

Lindsay

<P>What you fail to see, Lindsay, is the root of the "problemma" here. Mexico is a country with the resources and potential technology to be entirely self-sufficient, if not a world power. Vicente Fox, who ran under a "reformer" label, has done nothing to improve or empower the working class contrary to the platform he ran on. He and his ilk of "rich, powerful people" continue to live the posh and opulent life while sponging the economies of the miners, refiners, ranchers, etc. who could themselves be living quite well off. The adverse effect is class warfare inwhich a sub-society is grown and can hardly make ends meet within their own country forcing them to seek monetary sustinence conveniently within the US. The blood, sweat, tears, and suffering of these immigrants coats the hands of their own elected president. Why should the US be expected to fix his problem?</P> <P>Oh, and by the way, immigration IS legal in the US, you wanker!</P>

common sense

I suppose the US should welcome these illegal immigrants (both Mexican and Other-Than-Mexican) like Britain welcomes the Irish Republican Army?

Liam

Well, the US seems to like to help other people solve their "problems" so why not Mexico? (and of course the rich and powerful people I was talking about live in the USA not Mexico) And if all immigration is legal how can there then be illegal immigrants? Clearly the USA is turning people away or putting them through hoops or else they would go through the proper channels. Make it easy to get in and make sure that people know it's easy to get in and why would they want to risk a dangerous border crossing? However I still stand by my comment that if you stopped people employing the illegal immigrants then there would be no point in them coming. That is a US problem not anyone else's.<br><br>I don't see the connection between the IRA and Mexicans. Mexicans are not crossing borders for political reasons, they are crossing so as to make some money (AFAIK). They are even prepared to do jobs that nobody else seems to want - welcome them with open arms it seems to me.

Lindsay